The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast

Ernst Roets | EP18

South Africa’s downward spiral: a warning for the West

13 Jul 2025

Ayaan is joined by Ernst Roets, a South African activist, author, and the founder of a new think tank that seeks to promote a more sustainable political system for his country. He explains how South Africa’s 140+ race-based laws are turning the once prosperous nation into a third world country where not one government department functions properly, convicted felons and rapists are hired as police officers, and women and children cannot walk alone on the streets in broad daylight.

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